Sean:
There were some interesting movies in
2002. The main movies that stand out in my mind are a couple of action films,
which, considering my age and maturity level, makes a degree of sense. But
there were some other movies with depth and layers as well.
Blackhawk Down was a college dorm room staple. Viewed
solely for people shooting guns and blowing shit up. A dependable if
unremarkable action film about an event that I was not really old enough to
comprehend when it first happened.
The first Bourne movie came out in 2002 which started the
trilogy. A dependable action film, basically an amnesiac James Bond type. Worth
a watch if it's on, plus the idea of 5'8 (on a good day) Matt Damon playing a
superspy one man army is always good for a chuckle.
Minority Report: Based on a Phillip K Dick short story,
this movie is ostensibly about crime prevention and technology, but digging
deeper the movie is all about the notion of free will. If crime can be
predicted and stopped before it is actually committed, if human behavior can be
mapped before actually occurring, than the question is, what decisions are
actually made? If everything is pre-ordained, then you are just following what
has already been laid out for you. It brings to mind the famous quote from Lawrence
of Arabia, "nothing is written". In this dystopian future, due to the
use of pre-cogs, everything is written. Free will and decision making do not
exist, as every action has already been laid out and mapped before it is even
to occur. This is probably my pick for movie of the year for 2002.
One Hour Photo: This movie. Yeesh. Such a creepy movie,
purely because of the casting of Robin Williams as a serial borderline
pedophile type who works at a photo development lab. It's interesting to see
actors take on roles that stretch their typical typecast roles (See Smith,
Will) and go for outside the box parts. This was definitely the case for this
movie.
8 Mile: A movie that reads and plays like an autobiography
of Marshal Mathers life and rise to fame and fortune. Chronicling his ups and
downs and also starring the late Brittany Murphy, this is a gritty movie which
ends with a glimmer of hope but does not delude the viewer into thinking the
protagonist, Rabbit, has finally made it big. Probably known best for its
soundtrack. A solid if unspectacular movie.
Confession: I have never seen Gangs of New York in its
entirety. Starring two of the better actors of our lifetime in Daniel Day Lewis
and Leonardo Dicaprio, I just have not had the patience to sit down and watch
the movie start to finish. I think if I did, this would probably be my nominee
for best movie in 2002.
Catch Me If You Can is a great movie. Also starring Leo
Dicaprio, its a light hearted approach (for most of the movie at least) to
identity theft. An enjoyable movie which does not take itself too seriously and
also features the great Christopher Walken.
Interested to see your thoughts...
Marty:
Good overview of 2002. There
might not be one huge star in the whole year but there is tons of depth.
I'd say it was a pretty, pretty good year.
First, some quick thoughts about some of the movies you
mentioned. The first Bourne movie is more than just an amnesiac James
Bond movie, I think it represents the beginning of realistic action movie trend
that continues today. Just look at the Bond movies since the first
Bourne. Basically, Bond movies are no longer Bond movies, instead they
are serious movies about a serious brooding secret-agent. I almost went
with Bourne as my movie of the year. 8 Mile is an underrated movie, the
build up to the final rap battle where he eviscerates Papa Doc is pretty
awesome. And Eminem is really good even if he is playing himself. By the
way its unbelievable that you have never seen the entire Gangs of New York. Daniel
Day Lewis might be at his finest in the movie. I just love how Daniel Day
Lewis stays in character throughout the whole filming. It would have been
awesome watching Bill the Butcher in real day interactions like ordering
McDonald's. Although, I can't make it the best movie of the year because
I never really have the urge to watch it when I see that it is on.
Second, there were some pretty good movies that you left
out, which adds to the deep class of 2002. The Pianist, I remember Adrian
Brody being really good in the movie, but Roman Polanski is a horrible human
being so f' that movie. There was another Lord of the Rings, but Pete
Jackson has already been covered. Adaptation was a really good movie with
a good performance from Nic Cage. 28 Days Later is probably the best
zombie movie ever created. Tom Hanks was pretty solid in Road to
Perdition, but that movie dragged on a bit. The second Star Wars Prequel
came out and it wasn't as horrible as the worst, mainly because there was no
annoying little kid. Signs was Sign with M. Night being M. Night.
Finally, I'll have to mention Thirteen, my Dad was all about this movie
when it came out and made me watch it, if you want to see a crazy story about
teenagers and mothers with really good acting check it out.
My pick for best movie of 2002 comes down to Minority
Report and Spider-Man. I love Spidey1 and you would think it would be a
slam-dunk for movie of the year, but a few things bring it down such as the CGI
that looks pretty bad, Tobey McGuire being Tobey McGuire and the fact that they
just recently released Spider-Man,with the same story. With Minority
Report, there is a lot of good about the movie especially the story and the
concept that really makes you think. Spielberg created a great vision of
the future with the crazy cars, the hand gesture computers and the retina
scanning advertisements. And you have Tom Cruise. Who doesn't love
Cruise?2 I still like to think that everything that happens after Cruise
is arrested is just a dream Cruise is having while locked up including his
release and exoneration. But since the ending is really a classic
Spielberg happy ending and because I really love Spidey, I'm going with
Spider-Man as the best movie of 2002.3 Who cares about CGI or Tobey,
the Spider-Man origin story is the best. And Raimi did a great job of making
you feel like you were in a world where Spider-Man really exists. The
ending is pretty big time with Mary Jane realizing Peter Parker is Spider-Man.
With great power, comes great responsibility indeed.
With all of the good movies that we've both mentioned,
neither of us mentioned the supposed best picture winner, Chicago. I mean
seriously, that was the best picture of 2002? Ugh.
Sean:
It was tough for me to review some of
those movies because I had never actually seen them. I had heard good things
about Adaptation but never seen it. Same thing with the Pianist. I thought Road
to Perdition was good (with a Daniel Craig casting as a sniveling son) but a
little too long and drawn out for my tastes. I didn't even go into Spiderman
because that is your favorite movie evah. Polanski is a horrible human being,
but who cares? It doesn't make Chinatown a less awesome movie. You still root
for the Steelers who employ rapists and domestic abusers. Terrible people make
good shit all the time. Cest la vie as a wise man says.
I disagree about Bourne. An amnesiac man can defeat a CIA
trained network of assassins. Bullshit. That is not a realistic movie. He
wouldnt last two days. The CIA would find him and kill him. That movie should
be a 20 minute show. Man wakes up in water, makes it to land, CIA drone kills him,
end scene.
I think the problem with Gangs of New York is that it's too
long for you to be flipping channels, catch it on and sit down and watch and
you cant just jump into it and watch it.
Signs was probably the 2nd or 3rd best M Night movie, which
is damning with faint praise. I had high hope for World War Z and was a big fan
of the book but the movie is looking like a disaster; your 28 days later call
will stand.
I wonder if Spiderman would have been a better movie if it
had not gotten the Hollywood treatment and gotten two sequels. It stands up
just fine on its own, but the sequels are horrible, in my opinion and cheapen
the series as a whole. I think Tobey Maguire was the perfect person to cast for
that movie. His whole movie career he has basically been different iterations
of Peter Parker. The kid in Cider House Diaries, the too small jockey in
Seabiscuit, and his character who he played in Ride With The Devil whose name
escapes me now. I think the problem was before the 2nd Batman movie, everyone
took superhero movies with a grain of salt, and looked at them as glorified
movies for grown up kids. I wonder how that would play now? I think you also
would need to make Spiderman darker if you were going to remake it.
The Academy Awards is a sack of shit. Chicago winning is
proof enough of this.
Marty:
The fact that he is a horrible person
means I'm not going to rave about how awesome his movies are. With him
you also have the added bonus of his fanboys constantly raving about how
awesome he is and how he gets unfair treatment. The dude is a fugitive who uses
his money to escape justice. By the way you will never hear me raving
about how awesome the Steelers are when they are starting a formerly accused
rapist at QB.
I meant realistic in the sense that the action is not
over-the-top and there isn't some ridiculous villain shouting catch phrases.
Just compare the Die Another Day, which was also released in 2002, to
Casino Royale, which is basically a Bourne wannabe with James Bond.
M. Night has made two legitimate movies in my book, Sixth
Sense and Unbreakable. Sixth Sense is such a shocker when you see it.
And Unbreakable has the always cool combination of Bruce Willis and
Samuel L. Jackson. That movie is way underrated.
I'll give you half-right/half-wrong with the Spider-Man
sequels. Spider-Man 2 is a great movie and is perhaps the greatest
superhero movie made. It's well made with good performances from good
actors. I'll give you Spider-Man 3 being bad, although I have to admit I
loved emo-Spidey. I think reason that people like the sequels less is
because of Tobey Maguire. Tobey Maguire does understated/discovering4
things really well, which makes him great for a young unconfident Peter Parker.
However, Tobey Maguire does not have the charisma or charm to pull off
the cocky wise-cracking person that Spider-Man is supposed to become.
They really might have been better off with sticking with James Franco as
Peter Parker. I disagree with Spider-Man not playing well today, because
of the darkness of the Dark Knight. The Dark Knight worked so well
because the Joker is probably the best villain you can have in a superhero
movie and Heath Ledger was great as the joker. People want superhero
movies to be entertaining. The amount of darkness is irrelevant. As
long as it is well-made, then people will like it. For example, the
Avengers is much lighter than the Batman movies and it made tons and tons of
money and was better reviewed than Dark Knight Rises. There will be
plenty more to say about superhero movies in upcoming years.
It's just fun to point out how ridiculous the Academy
Awards are. I'll let you have the last say about 2002...
Sean:
Don't forget James Harrison. Polanski
is an awful person and I would never defend him. Chinatown is a good movie. The
two have fuck all to do with each other.
That makes sense for Bourne now that you explained it. The
Bond movies with Daniel Craig are basically Bourne movies.
You are correct about M. Night. Unbreakable was such a cool
concept for a movie and 6th sense is probably (with Memento and Inception) one
of the cooler ideas for a movie in the past 15-20 years.
Maybe you misunderstood my point with Spiderman.
People weren't taking superhero movies seriously back in the early
2000's and the idea of an actor getting nominated for an academy award would be
unheard of back then. People might look at it differently now because of those
movies that have come out that people took seriously and looked at with more
than a skeptical view. The amount of money a film makes and "better
reviews" are irrelevant to if a movie is actually good. Amount of money
especially. Spiderman 2 discussion will have to wait for that year, but I am
interested to see your defense/argument as to it being the best superhero movie
ever. That is quite the bold statement.
You are right about the Academy Awards. They have gotten
better as of late but when you go back and look at some of the decisions and
the winners and it boggles the mind. But at the same time, movie tastes are
such a personal thing. It's like arguing who was better at baseball, Kirby
Puckett or Willie Stargell.5
1 The Spider-Man costume my Mom hand made for me in 3rd
grade will always be the best Halloween costume I've ever had.
2 The more I look at past movies, the more I realize how
much I like Cruise. Cruise is awesome. He has charisma. He
acts well. And he runs awesomely.
3 At first I had Minority Report, but it just didn't feel
right.
4 See Pleasantville.
5 The answer is obviously Kirby Puckett (Marty’s ever so rare footnote response: you obviously were afraid of comparing Kirby Puckett to Dave Parker, cause that is no contest, but that’s a whole different discussion for a different day).
5 The answer is obviously Kirby Puckett (Marty’s ever so rare footnote response: you obviously were afraid of comparing Kirby Puckett to Dave Parker, cause that is no contest, but that’s a whole different discussion for a different day).
Time to make my inaugural comment(s)...
ReplyDeleteGangs of New York is the best movie of 2002 regardless of being able to sit and watch it when it comes on TV or not. Yes I agree it is very long (1), but don't penalize it because we have a short attention span and not enough time in our days.
Leo needed this movie to get out of the post Titanic funk (2). Also DDL method acting any part >>>>>>>> Cruise playing "Tom Cruise, running man" in every movie.
(1) BTW Gangs is actually a double DVD where you have to change the disc mid-movie (back when people watched DVD's), so it is not just long, it is ridiculously long clocking in at almost 3 hours.
(2) Nothing from 98-2001 is even watchable, let alone good.
Yes, the movie was spread over two-discs, but unnecessarily so. All the review sites complained about this upon its release. These weren't the stone-ages of DVD; layer-change technology had already been introduced. Why the f*** would they spread the movie over two discs, but put all the special features on the first one with the first half of the movie??
DeleteLeo choosing to work with Scorsese was the best thing he could have done for his career. Sometimes a movie deserves to be penalized for being too long, if the movie is unnecessarily long.
DeletePretty bold statement about movies from 1998 to 2001. While there are some pretty bad movies during then, 1999 had Fight Club and Matrix, two awesome movies. And 1998 had Saving Private Ryan, American History X and one of my underrated favorites the Truman Show.
Minority Report: This movie is flawless. Undoubtedly belongs in the canon of great action/sci-fi. I remember seeing it in 2002 and wishing it had ended when Anderton was arrested, but I took comfort in the fact that the rest of the movie could be interpreted as a dream occurring in his suspended state, as Marty mentioned in the post. Today, I am so happy that that the last 20 minutes of this movie exist. My second favorite movie of 2002. (I’ll be back later to make a comment about my favorite movie of 2002. Neither of you mentioned it!)
ReplyDeleteGangs of New York: This one is really tricky for me. The opening scene is fantastic. It’s followed by a great battle scene. Other great scenes are followed by more great scenes. Bill “The Butcher” is one of the best movie villains ever. Etc. etc. In the end, however, it’s all a bit disappointing. The narrative just doesn’t carry, and there are some editing choices that make you go “hmm”. The parts are much greater than the sum. The problem? GoNY is not long enough, in my opinion. I sometimes wonder what it would be like if movies were allowed to be longer than 2 hours 45 minutes... (Then I see most Quentin Tarantino movies and thank goodness that they aren’t)
The Bourne Identity: I hold this movie responsible for ushering in the following trends in fight scene choreography: shaking the camera really fast, using a multitude of 0.3 second cuts, allowing blind children to frame the scenes. Apparently you can make anyone look like they know how to fight by doing this. Be that as it may, I do not hold Bourne responsible for the change of tone in the Bond movies. Yes, Die Another Day (2002) was almost ridiculously campy. But the series had reached similar levels of absurdity with Moonraker (1979) before taking a harder edge with For Your Eyes Only in 1981. I think the origin story of the broody Caped Crusader featured in the hugely successful Batman Begins (2005) was a much greater influence in the creation of the broodier, newly-licensed 007 featured in Casino Royale (2006). Bond is still Bond, however, and these movies are still the height of cinematic escapism. Take Le Chiffre as an example. He is a Bond villain through-and-through. He weeps blood, he plays cards to finance terror, etc. He cannot be imagined into the Bourne universe, nor can any of the completely unmemorable CIA-baddies of the Bourne movies be imagined into the Bond universe. (i.e. Bond movies are NOT Bourne movies in any way.)
I really hope your favorite movie of 2002 is Undercover Brother.
DeleteWith Minority Report, I don't hate the ending as it is, I was more splitting hairs, so I could be biased and pick Spider-Man.
Spot on with Gangs of New York, lots of great ingredients but something went wrong in the oven. Maybe if it's longer it comes together better. The only thing is that if movies are allowed to be longer people will abuse it and a movie like Kill Bill would be 4 hours long.
You pretty much owned me on Bourne Identity and Bond. I knew I was going to get in trouble with the comparison. I never thought of LeChiffre as a classic Bond villain, but he certainly is.
Alright. My favorite movies of 2002, released just in time for Academy Award consideration (but receiving none)... 25th Hour
ReplyDeleteSpike Lee has made roughly 8 -12 very good/great movies, but he has crafted three which I consider to be absolutely perfect: Do the Right Thing (1989), Malcolm X (1992), and 25th Hour (2002). In 25th Hour, Edward Norton plays Monty, a convicted drug dealer living his last day of freedom before he must report to prison for a seven-year sentence. Norton is fantastic here, giving Monty a slow-burn infused with deep regret. Barry Pepper and Philip Seymour Hoffman are equally great as his best friends from childhood who are charged with providing Monty with one last night of fun. Rosario Dawson, Anna Paquin, Brian Cox, and Tony “The Goose” Siragusa round out the all-around stellar cast.
None of the above explains why this is one of my all-time favorites. Certainly it’s a combination of performances, style, and content, but ultimately, it just evokes something in me that I find difficult to explain. Technically, the movie has a great “filmic” look (lighting, grain, crane shots, tracking shots, Lee’s signature dolly shots, etc.) It’s got sequences of great intensity - the bathroom mirror scene, the scenes in the park at dawn, the scene where Monty’s father drives him to prison and narrates his life as it could be. The performances are emotionally resonant. The conversations that Pepper and Hoffman have are wonderfully revealing about the types of relationships these people have forged and left behind.
Finally, this is a post-9/11 movie set in New York. Certainly it was in-production beforehand, but Lee made the right decision to incorporate the absence of the Towers so prominently. If I recall correctly, there was some criticism that the movie didn’t say enough with regard to the tragedy (This is Spike Lee after all, he has to say SOMETHING!). But I completely disagree. First of all, the opening credits are a stunning tribute to the Towers. Secondly, when I listen to the conversations that these characters have, I can’t help but hear the same types of conversations that were being had on the 6 o’clock news after the attacks: Monty’s friends blame themselves, they blame each other, they blame Monty, they blame the Russians, they blame his bed-partners, etc. Substitute whatever sense of lost-American-innocence you want for “Monty”, and you have Spike Lee’s comment. It’s an unsure comment, but it’s full of sincerity in the simple sense of loss that permeates everything.
I LOVE this movie. I know the Academy Awards are terrible, but I genuinely cannot understand how this movie did not receive a single nomination. It’s mind blowing!
PS... What has happened to Edward Norton? This movie came out right when he was (rightfully) being considered as one of the greatest actors of his generation. Since, he's just kinda disappeared from starring roles. Then what... He pops up the the 4th Bourne movie? Don't get me started...
I can't believe I forgot to mention 25th Hour. When I was first researching the top movies, 25th Hour was in my top 3 but I then forgot to even mention it in my posts. I'm glad you talked about it because it certainly deserves discussion. Great movie.
DeleteI'm not sure what happened to Edward Norton. I think the last news he made was when he got in a huge fight over the character development in The Incredible Hulk, which always seemed like a strange battle to fight.
You are right about 25th hour and the reason it didn't go on my personal list is because the list I used didn't even have it.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.movieinsider.com/movies/-/2002/
So I am blaming the internet, not myself.
And looking at Ed Norton's IMDB page is fascinating
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001570/
He made so many good movies early in his career. 5 of his first 7 movies are awesome films, 4 of them being pantheon level.